I actually haven’t watched Crash’s Q&A so I’ll check that out for some of the details you’re talking about. I don’t think they’d be moaning if they were all new aircraft. Given that we know exactly what Flaming Cliffs 3 is, what might FC4 be? IL-2 does have a good niche. It is heavier but also has more feature and a serious power of destruction if you like to blow things up to vent after a hard day. ( Log Out / They have four WW2 planes: Spitfire LF Mk IX, P-51D, Fw 190 D-9 and Bf 109 K-4. Interesting thoughts. This is something IL-2 has been doing superbly under 1CGS development. REDFOR has competitive fighter aircraft and the J-11A has helped push that a little further but there is a lack of a strike aircraft, SEAD/anti-radiation role or an aircraft with ship killing potential. This is what DCS Community Manager NineLine revealed today: This of course spawned a raft of responses from the DCS community of which very few I actually agree with. I’ve had the Mirage 2000 for over a year now and I’m still getting to grips with a few of the systems still and it may be a while yet before I really feel comfortable in all situations. We already knew this but its clear that Eagle Dynamics and third party makers are still busy updating, improving, and adding new DCS World level modules. ( Log Out / Lastly, the manual is the worst I’ve ever seen in DCS, so definitely not a place to start. Digital Combat Simulator World (DCS World) is a free-to-play combat flight simulator primarily developed by Eagle Dynamics, and the civilian version of The Battle Simulator. DCS: Flaming Cliffs 3 (FC3) is the next evolution of the Flaming Cliffs series. I want to go back to the “dumb down” comment because I don’t think FC3 aircraft are really “dumbed down”. Deka Ironworks has already contributed considerably to DCS World and a FC4 could be another door opening to the modern Chinese airforce. There is, in many communities, a reflex to never “dumb down” or make it easy for new players to get involved. ( Log Out / would rather take another approach , And to think the Huey is probably the easiest of the lot…. I can fly in a Vietnam era Huey, but it’s just me flying around the Caucasus. Flaming Cliffs (FC) comes with a number of jets like the F-15C, A-10A, Su-27, Su-33, MiG-29A, MiG-29S and Su-25. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. But DCS World also successfully integrates some other aircraft that have high fidelity flight and systems modeling but without the extreme levels of system detail required to operate the aircraft. This UH-1H, as the Mi-8, is exceptionally good and those two are probably the best you can get across any sim for the general public. Hello fellow pilots! Helicopters are entirely different beasts. In DCS it’s more difficult for me to accept this feeling of superficiality, I bought the F-15 but never really flew it because of the non-clickable cockpit and also because the systems are simplified (both limitations come from the same ASM vs SSM fidelity levels). Ease – The FC planes are not full fidelity which means you don’t have to press half a dozen buttons to get things done. Eventually you can be really good at it without thinking. Interesting way to come into this sim. "Flaming Cliffs" is sort of a beginner's package for DCS or "Easy flying for casual pilots" if you like. Looks like the P-47 still has a long way until it comes. FC3 aircraft provide an easy learning curve for new players and focuses on a broad range of aircraft rather than a detailed single aircraft. Flaming Cliffs 4. The Flaming Cliffs aircraft are older than most of the other modules in DCS but they are also some of the most accessible and the most popular types. Systems and sensors behave in fairly realistic ways while having fewer buttons to press. That’d be three aircraft then that ED has released in the WWII DCS standard. If they want to do Vietnam, then make that a second focus area. And quite successfully so. I think the other thing to consider is time. Forgot your password? It was, in part, an answer to the F/A-18C coming close to release and ensured that both sides had a capable fourth gen aircraft that could launch from a carrier. Sign Up There’s also a mention of dynamic campaigns, whose idea is apparently not impossible, and even more than likely. It would be really nice to have every module on roughly the same level of detail. FC3 aircraft provide an easy learning curve for new players and focuses on a broad range of aircraft rather than a detailed single aircraft. It’s actually a bit of a coup that these two levels of aircraft fidelity work as well together as well as they do. Not bad in a civilian game, because hey, I’m flying my pretend plane for this pretend airline. Their first purpose in life is trying to kill the pilot, and possibly the passengers in the process There’s real joy in learning to master how to fly them, because there’s a lot more to grasp at first and they’re fun to fly once this stage is passed. Change ). I think having a good combination of full fidelity vs. not is good. It’s been a good progression for me and many others no doubt. The graphics of DCS with the high fidelity flight models for Helicopters (Huey missions dropping into hot LZ’s, doing rescue missions, relaxing with some rear area supply) would be a blast, and flying things like an F-105 or MiG-19 in combat over the jungles and cities of Vietnam with flak and SAMs flying all over could be an incredible experience. Belsimtek’s F-4 Phantom is sounds like it will be a bit more modern than the early 1960s Vietnam era F-4 Phantoms but it brings things much closer to that era. Fictional Cold War scenarios could be fun. Their systems model detail may be simpler but the processes that drive these aircraft behind the scenes are very much close to the peak of Eagle Dynamics modeling abilities. Flaming Cliffs is, if you go back far enough, the culmination of years of effort from Eagle Dynamics on the Lock On: Modern Air Combat series that came out in 2003. This coupled with the Bf 109 G-6 and Fw 190 A-8 which they are working on as AI for the Normandy map could mean their future inclusion into FC4 as well. The Huey is the easiest as I said, in my opinion at least, and the two available campaigns, starting with the free one, help the user get more familiar with it. It’s very scattershot in their planning. I think Vietnam could still be the most exciting with DCS’ graphics and immersion, but I would really love anything from the 60’s to the 90’s in the game. Anyway, more goods getting released is always great news, whatever they might be! The FC3 aircraft are at a unique intersection in the DCS World line-up in that they lack clickable cockpits and detailed systems fidelity but their outright flight performance and overall capabilities are modeled up at a high level. Their WWII area is even less of a focus for them although apparently the return on investment is very good. Only a community member with intent maintain informed to the simulator community about DCS: World news and progress More news to the front.... Disclaimer: I´m not member of DCS: World team, Eagle Dynamic team or None official 3rd party. Very focused development with aircraft sets that make sense (and are achievable for the team). Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. The case can be easily made for letting these players in on some new aircraft types both for Eagle Dynamics financial reasons as well as for community building (which is also ultimately a financial consideration). Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. By FlankerMan, February 8, 2018 in DCS Wishlist. Definitely all possibilities. Let’s dig into it anyways and see what this might represent! Difficult is understating the level of background knowledge and occasionally rote systems management that need to be poured into understanding a module. ( Log Out / Last year, ED released the PFM version of the Su-33 and with it came a few updates to that aircraft and its carrier operations. The plan at Eagle Dynamics is to release some additional Flaming Cliffs level aircraft based on modules already completed and that four aircraft have been selected for this release. So here is my question; I bought the Flaming Cliffs 3 for several planes inside of the pack. I have to admit that it was a difficult path at first, it could easily put someone off, and I can understand many people (sane people?) This should be, in my opinion, your first purchase in DCS. Well that is interesting. I somehow forgot about the P-51D . DCS Flaming Cliffs Virtual Cockpit allows you to connect your Android device with Digital Combat Simulator Flaming Cliffs 3. In one of the live streams a couple of weeks ago (and passing mostly under the radar), Matt Wagner answered the FC4 question with an affirmative which was quickly picked up on by r/hoggit and saved in a screen cap on imgur. Completely agree with you Aaron! DCS: Flaming Cliffs 3 is the next evolution of the Flaming Cliffs series that operates with DCS World. I have Dcs Black shark, Dcs world, Lock on modern air combat, Flaming cliffs 2, a10 c , I have the Mustang as well I just bought.Once in a while it wouldnt kill them to throw us a few FREE planes as well-Thats all iam trying to say. DCS: Flaming Cliffs El foro donde los pilotos del ala Flaming Cliffs comentan sus experiencias en combate, sus tácticas, problemas, y comparten sus … FC3 features the F-15C, A-10A, Su-27, Su-33, MiG-29A, MiG-29S and Su-25. FC3 features the F-15C, A-10A, Su-27, Su-33, MiG-29A, MiG-29S and Su-25. If I understood correctly I think NineLine mentioned in the forum thread that initally 3rd parties wouldn’t be part of FC4, unless they want to make FC4 planes of their own in the future. It’s certainly nice that there’s something for everyone, but then I’m just left feeling like so much only has that one thing. It’s a bit odd that some aircraft would be outwardly the same but one will be simpler than the other, but it enables people to fly at a level that is appropriate to them. A non-clickable F-16 still seem likely, though their priority remains the Hornet until it’s completed (I would add a cautious and realistic “completed *enough*”). The Su-25T is capable of the anti-ship and SEAD but it has performance limits that are particularly highlighted by the Hornet’s ability to fulfill all of these missions (sometimes at the same time) with a mach capable jet that has a high degree of maneuverability. In recent weeks, the J-11A was added to the Flaming Cliffs 3 aircraft line-up. I had read in the forums that ED were against the very idea but I’m not sure where it was coming from. Right you are! Load up a multiplayer scenario and you’ll find plenty of Flankers, Frogfoots, Warthogs and Eagles flying around the skies. I say 2005 because the new DCS: F/A-18C Hornet is a Lot 20 model from about 2005 and I think that there’s possibly a connection here. It might but it would also be a considerable effort to upgrade all of the aircraft in FC3 to DCS World standard and thus be named Flaming Cliffs 4 to denote the difference. DCS has a bright future, I feel it’s making great progress – I bought some of it but didn’t play it for years, but I’ve come back to it and just find it outstanding. FC3 features the F-15C, A-10A, Su-27, Su-33, MiG-29A, MiG-29S and Su-25. Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 3 (FC3) is the next evolution of the Flaming Cliffs series. We’ve got the F-5 and MiG-21 with the MiG-19 on the way too. Let’s look at some options. DCS multiplayer is popular and competitive co-op and player versus player scenarios get a lot of attention. LockOn: Flaming Cliffs 2 is a further evolution of LockOn: Flaming Cliffs. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. The word we’ve heard at this point is that retroactively going back and making clickable cockpits is so much work so as to be extremely impractical. Still, this or some sort of compromise could come in later. is it one button engine start for example? The option of an FC3 version of these planes is a great compromise and I will add them to my collection. Become a supporter by making a donation on the Stormbirds Patreon. How can I get the trainings for those planes to fly properly? Btw when subscribing to receive e-mail notifications of new answers I also get email notifications of all the other comments in this entry, even though they are not answers to my initial post. For the people who want extreme levels of system modeling and real implementation of mechanical and digital systems – DCS World caters to. Jefe de ala DCS: Flaming Cliffs; 1682 posts; Report; Share; Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) Se vuela regularmente el Su-25 y el Su-25T en el Ala BS y también Angel y Zaz0 montan misiones en las que se puede llevar un Su-33, Su-27 o un MiG-29 de algún tipo. Flaming Cliffs 3. I don’t know that anyone’s had that much fun with Vietnam since Yankee Air Pirate came out for the Strike Fighters series. FC3 features the F-15C, A-10A, Su-27, Su-33, MiG-29A, MiG-29S and Su-25. ( Log Out / 2. While I was speculating that FC4 might be an opportunity to release aircraft not ot… So, with BLUEFOR offering up the F-15C, AV-8B, A-10A and C, F-14A and B, F/A-18C, JAS-37 and a potential F-16C in the near and far future, we have a lot of high end late 1990s and early 2000s jet fighters, multi-role and attack aircraft that together have a lot of added capabilities that weren’t previously available from FC3 aircraft alone. (Though you would get the usual complaints about this being a distraction from such and such project!). For most of us who can't dedicate 6-8 hours a day they are sadly out of reach due to time limitations. This game has great programming and the FC module “gateway” is perfect for keeping a healthy community and franchise. Share Followers 0. It should also be noted at this stage that Matt has talked a lot about different plans that Eagle Dynamics has in the works but that may not appear for some time yet. Instead, they seem to be focusing on doing something that they do well and pairing it with something else that they do well. This is what DCS Community Manager NineLine revealed today: Hey guys, just to clarify as I got some new info on this, the additional aircraft will be FC3 level version of existing modules. There doesn’t need to be an analogous aircraft, rather a mix of types that fulfills the overall set of roles. The last scenario, and the one I feel most likely, is a small selection of new modern jets circa about 2005. This video is provided to show the landing physics. We don’t know which aircraft yet but they are types that have already been released (or would have been already released by the time FC4 comes out). When did this come out? Su-34, F-16A, AH-64A, UH-60, MiG-27, J-10A are some of the candidates I think are likely suspects. Load up a multiplayer scenario and you’ll find plenty of Flankers, Frogfoots, Warthogs and Eagles flying around the skies. We have absolutely no other details to go on right now so this entire piece is speculative. I actually don’t think this is likely but say Eagle Dynamics were to make at least part of the F-15C’s cockpit (as an example) clickable. We’ll see if they can pull off both modern and ww2, seems like a ton of work. For REDFOR, we have the Su-27, J-11A, MiG-29A and S, Su-25 and Su-25T. But I couldn't find the training of these planes. Visit FlightSimExpo.com for more! I think this comes from the “Well I did it” crowd who insist that everyone go through the same level of difficulty as they did. We have for a long time now had access to Flaming Cliffs 3, itself a re-release of Flaming Cliffs 2 for DCS World. You can have the most realistic FM, clickable cockpits and whatnot but at the end of the day if the game world feels fake all that “realism” goes to waste. There are still other possibilities. FC4 may add breadth to the modern jet experience or it may breath life into a new era – whatever the case, I’m sure we’ll find out…. I mentioned the dynamic campaign bit as a parallel with IL-2 of course, trying not to get too much out-of-topic Those two will have some increasing level of comparison it seems. That gives them potential conflict areas in SE Asia, the Middle East, fictional ones in a Cold War scenario, and with planes that might be a bit more simple to pump out compared to the more advanced jets like the F/A-18. So that leaves us with the potential for some more jets, true to the Flaming Cliffs sub-brand, and ready made for more modern scenarios. UPDATED, New DCS: Flaming Cliffs 4 info and an editorial – Stormbirds, Reviewing the IL-2: Battle of Normandy Fw190A-6, IL-2 promo codes are back for the next month, Carenado is bringing a PA-28 Arrow to MSFS, New DCS: South Atlantic map image shows scale, scope, Eagle Dynamics are ‘full burners’ towards 2.7. They are seriously behind the curve now. I agree above post about how it’s nice to be able to click things vs. every single key bound. The Hornet is looking like it will be a very popular module as well as a very capable module once complete. Change ). The Gazelle is much more difficult because it’s very light and agile, I can’t say about the campaign as I haven’t tried it, I’m not even sure the flight model is stable yet, perhaps it finally is. Therefore I have purchased the study sim version of the planes I am interested in and most importantly will allocate my precious time to. But it takes more time to see the real progress and achieve a campaign, so indeed it requires more patience. They look great! I’m sure many would be interested in flying those types into DCS multiplayer scenarios and indeed we’ve seen mods and co-op scenarios making use of these aircraft but they may be just too complex to otherwise handle at DCS World levels for now. So long as the modeling is realistic and the flight models are at the PFM level, would people object? This is my in-depth overview of the Flaming Cliffs 3 module, and what it offers in terms of planes and content for DCS World from Eagle Dynamics
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