Blackout cartridges do look cute with a little flat point cast bullet tho. Still hard to go wrong with .300. The 300 BLK used to be an odd duck, but not anymore. I’ve seen empty steel Blackout cases at the range in Alaska, brought two of them to the office where there are wiser people than me. https://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-1-6x24mm-sfp-scope-w-acss-300blk-7-62×39-reticle. I really didn’t care about suppressors or blackout until I got a chance to shoot one. The choice of cartridge says a great deal about what a person sees as priorities. I am a little more than a year in to the AR platform and have two PSA 556s; a 16″ carbine and an 8.5″ pistol. Highly over rated! perfect, in addition to more general shapes, sizes, types. First, Hats off to Poultry. even one at 265 paces. Faxon Firearms makes some of the best AR barrels in general and their 300 BLK barrels are my favorite for the cartridge. F150 trucks aren’t race cars…weren’t designed to be …but they are very utilitarian…and it sure beats having to buy ammo (x39 ammo) at 3 times the cost of what I can make it for…better selection of bullets if I want to buy them than x39, better feeding from AR platform, more mags and better parts support as opposed to ak or ar/ak barrel change only. An evil temptation designed to lead the flock of Eternal Firepower away from the truth and salvation of True Caliber Purity, and to sinfully dilute and pollute the Holy Mandate of Proper Caliber Devotion. I do not hunt, using my weapons for short to intermediate range target fun and self defense. I meant to say “leather loops” on their belt, not “lever loops” on their belt! The increasing proliferation of body armor is the final nail in the coffin of the .300 Blackout and ultimately the 5.56mm AR platform as well. I’m looking at getting a silencer for that pistol as my next purchase. I experienced exactly that back in about 1980 in a .22-250. When I moved back to 25 yards it looked like a shotgun pattern. Therefore, it is important to know the armor types and what each one can do to keep you safe. It wasn’t just a hobby horse of Harry Pope to gain-twist barrels. They require very little maintenance, and selling the eggs you don’t eat, will cover the feed easily. That’s out of a 10.5 inch barrel. I’m sold on .308 and since I’m a grumpy old fat white guy that’s all I care about. OMG. A bulletproof vest or armor plate is durable, to be sure, but not an impenetrable shield. He’s got 3,000 square feet of chicken coop. My thought back when 300BLK was first becoming a darling of the community was that it’d only really take off if/when suppressors were decriminalized. As mentioned in the article, there are now a lot of bullet options for loading 300 BLK. Honestly, I think the only thing x39 has going for it these days is price and availability. And JWT can like his boutique weapons bc this is America. Honest question, not calling you out-but I read somewhere that the Army is considering a 6.8…? A 12â barrel was what was required for the 5.56mm. I personally like 300 BO. “Also, is it really appropriate to put chicken poop brown mags and grips on a .300 BLACKOUT?”. On the other hand, the criticism for supersonic 300BLK is usually âjust use.308 alreadyâ. My oldest boy’s first FFA critter was a turkey, and he ended up taking Grand Champion for the breed at the State Fair back in 2000. Actually no- POF is producing the Revolution in 7.62×51 (308) in an AR15 size platform. In addition to writing, I work professionally as an industry consultant, with many products reviewed here being the direct result of my behind-the-scenes efforts. Anyway I liked your comments and this whole article. HAHA someone beat me to the punch as a was typing this but posting anywa. https://www.cflgunandtactical.com/POF-USA-Renegade-Plus-7-62X39MM-Black-p/00856-762×39.htm, Piston I wanted a short barrelled pistol (with rifle round) but not in 5.56 (very loud). A .30 caliber, 125 grain bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2,500 fps would be pretty devastating at close range if the bullet was designed to expand and stay together (rather than fragment) at that velocity. A great thing is that the 300 BLK has extraordinary system life due to lower operating pressures and, as a result, requires lower lifetime maintenance. The ballistics are good and I built a 10” barreled pistol for a truck gun. And is the penalty for that barrel wear / loss of velocity? Stopped reading right there. For home defense, I assume defensive ammo (read: expensive whatever the caliber, and you aren’t going to stockpile 1k rounds). What does the 6.5 G do? We are proud to know you. Detractors say it has poor bullet drop trajectory and spotty accuracy, but they are profoundly wrong in their idea of what makes a round desirable and successful. You have entered an incorrect email address! He is also a freelance writer writing for survival and outdoor publications and blogs. Weâll preface this with an obvious clarification: Any centerfire rifle shooting supersonic cartridges will cut through level IIIA soft body armor without much ado. The .300 Blackout with a suppressor and sub sonic Ammo is like an MP5SD firing a .45 ACP round. I use the rifle for hunting & the pistol as a home defense gun. Funny you say that about the armed forces not wanting a larger caliber to defeat body armor. Replying to Josh, not John Wayner (don’t know what it won’t let me respond there), Relax man-I’m prior too, as are many people here, and with all of us having different experiences that reflect what we’re saying. Super excited! Generally, I’m not pushing the pressure on my loads and usually I’ll stick with an easy shooting load. But I have to believe the typical .300 BLK buyer is at the table for a suppressed ‘pill’ *first*. I’ve got at least four dedicated blackouts, two are registered SBR’s as I’m always worried that the ATF with change the brace thing again.. four additional barrels, five 30 cal suppressors and by S&B subsonic and supers by the case.. until I get set up for reloading again. I also like the versatility of the Blackout. Crazy, right? G2 RIP & 300 Blackout vs Body Armor Crooks are wearing body armor more frequently when committing home invasions and soft armor can be found in many pawn shops or online for less than you might think. My x39 upper is great and all, but I hate that it needs specific magazines that are impossible to find locally above 5 rounds. Had to move to help my Dad.. he is 89 and pissed at the world over his health.. he probably got Agent Oranged in Viet Nam because his kidneys are failing for no real reason. You’re the military supply authority. If I saw Tulammo .300BLK show up for the same price I’d never have a reason to run my x39 upper again. The Americana can survive in virtually any climate and lays year-round. *not affiliated with those stove pipe-hatted, monocle-wearing, bloated, plutocratic fat cats in Big Reloading or Big Primer or Big Smokeless Powder. Am I wrong? I don’t hunt with my AR’s, not good reason I just like longer barrel, longer sight radius for irons (I’m 64 and wear glasses but I don’t have to have them to see iron sights if I’m in the woods and don’t have them on. So I assembled a 300 BO pistol. However, even I, with my middle-aged eyes, can EASILY tell the difference between a 300 Blackout cartridge and a 5.56 cartridge, so there’s no excuse for ANYONE to confuse the .300 Blackout with 5.56! It’s a blast to shoot. They lay eggs for me to eat, so I dont object. As a young man, I spent some time working in a gun shop. Loaded with sonics, it was perfect for popping prairie dogs and coyotes. There is already plenty of video documenting rifle rounds vs. body armor, yet rifles make up a small fraction of guns used in crime. That’s probably part of why they don’t produce it, actually…. I don’t care what the ammo costs, I make enough money to support my habit. But take the long, thin, arrow-shaped 300 BLK that weighs a bit less and travels the same, and youâll end up with a round that can be suppressed and still defeat IIIA stuff, be it soft armor or glass. There is absolutely no difference between the .300 Blackout and the .300 AAC Blackout. I also can get cases much cheaper. There is nothing I like more than writing about ammunition and guns, with the possible exception of sitting in my 3,000 square foot (and growing) covered chicken enclosure watching them happily do their thing. Even though the current cost is gross I’m sure it will undercut 300blk when fully introduced and import numbers have firmed up. 308>300blk velocity, ft lbs, range, proven battle cartridge that %100 takes care of business. For 16″+ barrels just go with 7.62×39. Or maybe they are still charging these exorbitant prices to pay for tooling….from 10 years ago. I think .223 loses a lot of velocity out of a short barrel, which is much less of a problem for 7.62x39 or .300 (I don't have the numbers in front of me right now, so correct me if I'm wrong). Just FYI, my wife keeps chickens too. Just as he stated, it’s a fantastic and very utilitarian round…I have 3 bolt actions, 3 Ars in the caliber….I cast and reload my own and can get a box of 100 put together for 8 USD …that’s 8¢ per pop…2 moa accuracy with that load and excellent expansion at 50 yards …so perfect for Louisiana deer hunting, plinking, defense. The information, pictures, text or products presented on this website are not a representation by us, and should not be understood by you, that any product or completed firearm is legal to assemble or own in your state of residence. excellent idea whoever came up with this nifty little number. The combat rifle of the future will undoubtedly have ballistic performance similar to the venerable .270. There are those who will argue that subsonic 300BLK in an SBR is basically a pistol round disguised as a rifle. Well good for you. Premier makes custom fit panels that match the footprint of Vertx bags (and others!) As I said this is just IMO; I get what you’re saying. I found reloading for the x39 is more of a pain, where 300 is easier. …And the ‘thing’ they do best is eat and sh!t. With a sharp eye like that you could probably start an entire new religion for the masses, with nothing more than a book of matches, 2 coins and some pocket lint… and of course that clever multi-tool knife thingy with more gadgets in it than a Swiss Army knife has. These rediculous calibers get bought by people who hardly shoot and have the money to spend. It isn’t finicky with bullet weight or powder charge, barrel length, or magazines. Not to mention mags are easier to source and cheaper. We are a national retailer of individual components and not all products depicted on this website are legal in every state. 300 Blackout vs Level II Body Armor.jpg download. This load is tested against a panel of IIIA body armer to see if the bullet shape makes the difference. Thanks for the article! It is your responsibility to understand the law and we encourage you to consult with an attorney or your local ATF representative. I still like my Chevy but I have owned many Fords and am currently driving a Dodge! The .308 Win (7.62×51) AR10 sitting in my safe with a full (20 round) mag and scope in place, scales an even 11 pounds! Unlike your examples, 300BLK is not a long-standing and common military cartridge, and perhaps more critically, Russian manufacturers don’t currently turn out huge quantities of cheap steel cased plinking ammo. I do have one SB braced short “pistol”?? Eats steel all day and bangs 12×24 silhouettes from 300yds+ with easily duplicated results, round after round. There are multiple choices for the 300. Have a nice day. I think he states it well….great round that fits the bill for most people. The federal catalog says 1204ft/lbs at 100 yards, so even with the shorter barrel you’re looking at over 1000. Don’t you mean 7.62×51…. Kyrakushin led the design department in creating the 74. Keep these articles coming! Often times 5.56 doesn't have enough velocity to penetrate level III armor. To reference the movie CHICKEN RUN, I do not make pies out of them. Tell your Dad thank you for his service. 3,000 square feet of (literally!) Federal claims 2570 from a 24″ barrel. James is the author of Come Unity; Community and the host of the I AM Liberty Show. Hoping for a blackout modular barrel for the CZ Bren 2 MS, depending on how easy the swaps are, that seems like it would be ideal. Subsonic means you are restricted to velocities around 1050fps, depending on your atmospheric density. The 300blk is the most consequential AR caliber developed since the 5.56 was adopted. Thatâs huge for the special operations and SWAT community â teams that have previously relied on submachine guns when they need something compact and suppressed. “You can go from 220gr subsonic ammunition to lightning-fast supersonics with just a mag change.”. In an AR, the big thing for me would be parts commonality. Then, as they tire of the SBR, yeah, they would buy a slower twist upper for supersonic fun-n-games. The Premier Body Armor panels are a great way to add a little safety/security to a bag that you're already bringing with you. Why no mention of 6.5 Creedmoo? “Brown” is not the color I would choose to describe it. Who cares what you like? Just when I had imagined I escaped to a hidden place where nothing could assail my interest in chickens, I was bombarded with the most tedious, visceral criticisms, but instead of the usual “Josh is a gun snob” banter I happily receive here, this abuse was from insane chicken people voicing wild dissatisfaction at my endeavors and practices. This is certainly a devastating wound channel, even with just partial expansion. Wasn’t it just last month you were shilling the .300 HAMR or was it 6.5 Fadmoor? The 300 BLK is essentially a pistol round adapted for rifle use in all respects, including they types of powder used. LOL! It just makes no sense to me. A serviceable one can be had for the price of a Glock. OK, I’ve got a question about the .300 Blackout. I’ll never keep 300 near my ARs for that reason. And that’s some *brilliant* camouflage going on there, Gov… . They are flatter shooting and, with less time in flight, less prone to the effects of wind. Buuuuttt… I know as a gunsmith who has worked on other .30 caliber rifles that this range of bullets needs different twists to properly stabilize this range of bullet weights/lengths. Can’t beat the price of ammo. May the Healing Light of the Almighty Muzzle Flash shine brightly upon you all. As far as your thoughts on 300 BLK, read my articles here on TTAG and elsewhere. Economy is the name of the game and 300 blk fills the bill for everything I need it to do. Or to break it down further since this is appearing really complicated for some reason to understand. chickensh!t to clean up is a lot of exercise, Josh. I’ve been reloading for 40+ years, so it was just a question of waiting for the Dies I prefer to go on sale, and collect enough of the brass I fired. Once I buy that little ranch out in the country where I can actually shoot suppressed and it accomplish anything but blowing more gas in my face, I’m all over it. I was thinking about lever-actions and leather belts, not leather-actions and lever belts, LOL. Factory ammo for most rifle calibers is north of $0.50/round, the 300 Blackout is no exception. I’ll bet I get my ostrich before the military fully adopts a 6.8. I’m no ‘smith by any means, but “assembling” an AR scratches my “‘smithing” itch! Both readily available and had been for a long, long time before 300blk was ‘invented’. It also makes it harder to justify an expensive rifle like the b&t APC300 because I don’t want to have to get a second one in 556 or not use it regularly. Should extend the point blank range by 100 yards over the BO. The 300 BLK is a breed adapted to this century’s needs. Just have to keep a close watch on color saturation if you do the mags in different batches. One of the template questions is, âcan it penetrate body armorâ? I like the 7.62×39 better than the 300. None of us could decipher the marks on the case bottom… maybe some enterprising person has a shitload of 223/5.56 steel cases and used the forming dies… will that even work on steel. Loaded with subs, it’s a great home defense gun. Plus if 50 rnd mags are your thing, get a surefire 60. If onthe flip side you want to penetrate all the things, including body armor (up to level III+) then you can get M855 A1. Try “Detroit Ammo Company”, the specialize in selling Sub-Sonic Ammunition…. This reminds me of a discussion I had years ago about whether my Chevy was better than my buddy’s Ford! The round was not designed for optimized performance in medium range combat as well as weight savings over the M43 cartridge. This allows the 9x39mm to punch through barriers like steel and body armor that would defeat the.300 Blackout (although the Blackout itself does have a surprising degree effect on very light pistol body armors). If the US gets into a war with a technological peer such as Russia, China or Turkey (frighteningly probable) whose troops are wearing body armor comparable to our own, US soldiers armed with 5.56mm or .300 Blackout carbines will be in deep shit. I’d reckon on 1:10 or 1:11 for the lightest .30 pills, and I’m guessing people are probably using something like a 1:8 for the 220’s. Works. Weather they were ignorant peasants from the USSR or Obama’s cousins from the ‘hood, they were graduates of the spray and pray school of gun fighting so a small caliber mouse rifle made sense. That much is absolutely true. You can sing praises all you want of 300blk but it is in no way is comparable to 308. the 9x39s (google it and learn) are coming!!!!!! Now, I could be wrong. Anyways, thanks for replying! I think you win the award for most comically incorrect comment of the year (so far). The 300 BLK is today’s best AR cartridge for a number of reasons, but there’s a thick fog of misinformation about the caliber to get past. I just got my ACR in 6.8 (yes, they are out there, Rays Sporting Goods in Dallas has them). Limited powder choices and neck tension problems with the x39 keep me going back to the 300 BO. Random space weapons are fun for me. Although, I’d argue that the CMMG 22lr conversion is just as fun and a lot cheaper for AR plinking! So am I to understand ammunition companies are still charging for ‘R&D’ that was done 10 years ago on components that already existed (i don’t care about the ‘new’ weights, still a .30 cal bullet). I sold my 308 win, 556, and other calibers to shoot 300 blk near exclusively specifically for the economy of it. I will probably do this before getting started in the AR10 308 platform. the only thing that “gun” pictured is missing is an orange tip. I have (I believe) a 1:8 8″ 300 Blackout barrel. Wouldn’t a gain twist barrel cause bullet deformation throughout the entire barrel instead of just in the first inch or so it takes to force it to conform to the rifling? I used to raise Kelso’s, Lacy’s, Blue Minors and Brown Shuffler’s. Idea for a bunny rabbit gun or for a little girls first centerfire. But it doesnât get through bulletproof glass (itâs been tested, too), and thatâs because itâs a wide, flat round â just like most other pistol rounds. Please, donate now to the Church of Eternal Firepower in the ONE TRUE CALIBER of your choice, that you already keep in your very own gun collection at home. I’m not saying that it is a dedicated long-range round, but the capability is certainly there. I built mine to be very accurate and equipped it with a NP3-plated bolt carrier group for reliability beyond the average AR-15.. with a Seekins 10.5” barrel sporting 5R rifling, my AR pistol is unbeatable. It has been noted that big, long bullets need faster twist rates, and that faster twist rates, especially with use of jacketed bullets, can result in faster rates of throat erosion. With no formal training, I learned to doctor a little on some guns and suggest a ‘smith for most others. ... .300 Blackout Guide: Best Barrel Length, Build Tips & More.300 Blackout vs. 9mm Parabellum: Which Oneâs Best? Along with that, it is also more compatible. DI Someone who chooses 6.5 Grendel over 6.8 SPC usually has their reasons for it, and it works the other way around as well. This you must do to ensure that your own Caliber Devotion is kept Pure, by continually cleansing yourself of all Deviate Caliber Attraction. For self defense I keep it loaded with Federal’s 125gr SJHP ‘varmint’ round. Which makes my reasoning for NOT using 300blk that much easier to understand. YOUR ORDER WILL SHIP IN 1 to 3 DAYS!Real time inventory. “The 300 BLK used to be an odd duck, but not anymore.”, “Brass could be made from 5.56 NATO cases by cutting them down and re-necking them.”, “The 300 Blackout is a fully mature, commonly available cartridge that allows the shooter to have a vast range of options as far as end use. For my purposes it an expensive solution searching for a problem. I don’t comment on here much, but I do have exp with this round. I have numerous 5.56 AR’s, a 9mm carbine and a pistol. Mind you, this is a supersonic load. At this point, I’m so enamored by the AR platform itself, caliber is a moot point … except when it comes to the Grendl! I’m as stuck on the 6.8mm Rem SPC II, apparently, as you are with the .300 BLK. Aside from small units, it is unlikely that major forces will adopt anything other than modified versions of what is in the supply line already. I was mocked on TTAG when I made that same argument as a reason not to buy a .44 Magnum rifle if you already own one chambered in .45 Colt, but it’s a helluva lot easier (especially for those of with middle-aged eyes,) to confuse a .44 Magnum cartridge with a .45 Colt cartridge than it is to confuse a .300 Blackout cartridge with a 5.56 or .223 cartridge! After using the 300 BLK, you are surely not going to get back with the 5.56 rounds. Thanks for sharing your thoughts we appreciate it. Different strokes, to each his own, etc……Too bad everyone can’t have their own opinion and do what they want without dimwits like you telling everybody else they are wrong and stupid because they do things differently than you. I have seen more incredible and unique bullets for the 300 BLK than almost any other cartridge. All in all, the foundational idea of the 300 BLK was indeed a short-range, short-barreled weapon for combat use. So I figure 2500+fps is about right. Why 9mm over 300blk? 7.62×33: .30-30 of lever action fame. (I use the term “petals” to refer to the six pieces of a hollowpoint bullet that would nominally peel back on impact to make the much larger diameter bullet.). litterally blows small wistle pigs and rabbits apart in two or three seperate parts. But that was then, and this is now. I actually don’t think it makes sense, and that he Mk262 does what we need it to. Now is probably the time that almost everybody else here realizes that they should have spotted that erroneous detail as well, but that is often the single biggest difference between the leaders and the led. It’s a great round, delivering Soviet 7.62×39-level power in a compact…”. from deer to rabbits in my fields eating my crops its been nothing short of spectacular. This heretical object most obviously _must_ be a tool of the devil, an evil device created solely to divide and confuse the masses. The supersonic, un-suppressed 300 BLK is a wonderful, easy-shooting .30 caliber round that is kind on the shoulder and hard on game. Without changing barrels, this constrains your choice of bullets a bit. I have 2000+ rounds of 7.62×39 steel case and 500 rounds of brass cased ammo. 3.) Thanks again for giving me something else to look at! took me a while to see the practical aspects of the 300blk, but when it struck me its is essentiall a long range accurate pistol round that shoots .308 rifle boolits, how i percieved this cartridge made a lot of sense. No doubt between the 2, 300 Blackout. Does shoot higher than the 150gr. A 1:7 or 1:8 works for all bullet weights. 1 Basic key points 1.1 Weapons 1.2 Armor 1.3 Damage 2 Contact weapons / Ammunition 2.1 Description, and CfgAmmo and CfgMagazines configs 3 Launchers / Ranged weapons 3.1 Description, and CfgWeapons config 4 Armor 4.1 Description, and [CfgVehicles \\ ["Clothing" type entities]] config 5 See also 6 Notes 7 Sources 7.1 ⦠Too many .300 blackout fanboys that want to pretend like their preferred round does more than it actually does. What was missed (somewhat) in this article is that it appeals to reloaders. But for some reason the ammo people have ignored the fact that there is a market for various bullet weights for the 7.62. I’ve heard the same thing, but I agree, what we have works. The 6.8 SPC and 300 BLK cartridges were designed for two very different jobs. As far as a clear-cut winner goes, itâs hard to tell. Shoot straight and be safe my fellow gun lovers. Stick only to the One True Caliber that you already know. superb practical cartridge for my uses. Can’t speak to the super sonic stuff though and I’ve never tried it. Upon impact, it managed a maximum expansion of around 0.6â with a minimum expansion of .4â. There are no constraints to bullet weight. Why is it popular? Even though I always strive for one shot-one kill, sometimes it’s unavoidable and a second shot is called for. When you look at buying a 300 Blackout gun (or upper), you have a dizzying number of options to consider. Furthermore, finding subsonic 7.62×39 is like finding a pre ban Ishmash AK in America. The “click” intrigued me and the “thump” downrange sold me.
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