Rechecked the forums and Nineline confirmed that FC4 wont be the WW2 planes, those would be part of the “Flying Legends” pack. FC4 may add breadth to the modern jet experience or it may breath life into a new era – whatever the case, I’m sure we’ll find out…. There are missing things like the full manual start-up and run-up, detailed failures, it’s not much training-oriented, sadly, but they spent the necessary time on so many other details that produce a plausible world (and which is honestly missing sometimes in DCS). FC3 aircraft provide an easy learning curve for new players and focuses on a broad range of aircraft rather than a detailed single aircraft. Load up a multiplayer scenario and you’ll find plenty of Flankers, Frogfoots, Warthogs and Eagles flying around the skies. By not making every aircraft full fidelity cockpit, I’m sure they make more $$$, Since this post, ED has announced their FC4 project which is being called Modern Air Combat. as a FC4 module with F-16C as a full DCS module later? Which aircraft will be announced later. While I was speculating that FC4 might be an opportunity to release aircraft not otherwise possible to release due to classified systems or inability to gather data that still does take quite a lot of work for the team to do. The whole show is quite interesting, but the Q&A really begins at that point, about 30 minutes in the video. Their systems model detail may be simpler but the processes that drive these aircraft behind the scenes are very much close to the peak of Eagle Dynamics modeling abilities. This game has great programming and the FC module “gateway” is perfect for keeping a healthy community and franchise. Here is a little video showing the new F-15C advanced flight model in action. Although I fully expect a click-pit DCS World implementation of the F-16, a FC level version of that aircraft for other players would be a good move for sure. Anyway, more goods getting released is always great news, whatever they might be! Ease – The FC planes are not full fidelity which means you don’t have to press half a dozen buttons to get things done. Btw when subscribing to receive e-mail notifications of new answers I also get email notifications of all the other comments in this entry, even though they are not answers to my initial post. Very focused development with aircraft sets that make sense (and are achievable for the team). This is something IL-2 has been doing superbly under 1CGS development. Interesting way to come into this sim. The damage model, for instance, is superb, or the AI animations, I could easily spend time just watching them. ( Log Out / Belsimtek’s F-4 Phantom is sounds like it will be a bit more modern than the early 1960s Vietnam era F-4 Phantoms but it brings things much closer to that era. Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 2 features all the flyable aircraft of Lock On: Flaming Cliffs and includes several fan-requested updates to aircraft, sensor, and weapon systems. We have absolutely no other details to go on right now so this entire piece is speculative. Remember me Not recommended on shared computers. But I don’t think they are being strategic like that. The very few so-called training missions are terrible, though, I’d rely on a good manual – and why not, if you’re interested, what is provided free by the FAA, “Helicopter Flying Handbook”. Which justifies the FC series as you said, let’s lure more DCS fans and not scare them directly with daunting complexity! WWII DCS just seems to be lacking. Load up a multiplayer scenario and you’ll find plenty of Flankers, Frogfoots, Warthogs and Eagles flying around the skies. If Eagle Dynamics is intending to make a push into WWII era aircraft, then perhaps FC4 focuses in on WWII aircraft opening the door to more types of aircraft with less systems fidelity and boosting the online scene for those with more complex types (i.e. FC3 aircraft provide an easy learning curve for new players and focuses on a broad range of aircraft rather than a detailed single aircraft. This could be a mix of fighters and bombers with less system fidelity than other aircraft bringing the Bf109G-6 in at a lower fidelity level than the K-4 and twin engined bombers like the A-20G in. Yeah…I think “we” (meaning us people that live and breathe flight and combat sims) sometimes make the mistake of forgetting that there is a silent (or in this case…just hanging out elsewhere) group that this type of content appeals to. Nothing there has changed. It might but it would also be a considerable effort to upgrade all of the aircraft in FC3 to DCS World standard and thus be named Flaming Cliffs 4 to denote the difference. It could happen and, just like WWII, could open the door to more multiplayer popularity for that era of aircraft. By FlankerMan, February 8, 2018 in DCS Wishlist. Forgot your password? Helicopters are entirely different beasts. The FC3 aircraft are at a unique intersection in the DCS World line-up in that they lack clickable cockpits and detailed systems fidelity but their outright flight performance and overall capabilities are modeled up at a high level. "Flaming Cliffs" is sort of a beginner's package for DCS or "Easy flying for casual pilots" if you like. One counter argument is that Vietnam era jets are more likely to see the full DCS World treatment over time as they are less classified or are completely declassified at this point and getting data needed to model them at high detail levels is possible. In Flaming Cliffs 2, all of the player-controlled aircraft available in Flaming Cliffs have been transferred to the virtual environment created for the Digital Combat Simulator series, started with DCS: Black Shark. Let’s look at some options. Become a supporter by making a donation on the Stormbirds Patreon. I’m talking about anti-ship missiles, anti-radiation missiles and precision guided weapons. In DCS it’s more difficult for me to accept this feeling of superficiality, I bought the F-15 but never really flew it because of the non-clickable cockpit and also because the systems are simplified (both limitations come from the same ASM vs SSM fidelity levels). It doesn’t open the door to new types of aircraft (which I agree is disappointing) but it is still an important step for DCS World and hopefully is a gateway to the more advanced products. I think this comes from the “Well I did it” crowd who insist that everyone go through the same level of difficulty as they did. Jefe de ala DCS: Flaming Cliffs; 1682 posts; Report; Share; Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) Se vuela regularmente el Su-25 y el Su-25T en el Ala BS y también Angel y Zaz0 montan misiones en las que se puede llevar un Su-33, Su-27 o un MiG-29 de algún tipo. Sign In. It’s not a perfect marriage but its pretty good. Flaming Cliffs 4. Forgot your password? I keep fingers crossed for a full F-16 in DCS! You guys are already in the gate, for a lot of you, its not intended for you, the Hornet, that Hind, the F-4, the Viper, etc… those are intended for you. The FC3 aircraft provide an easy learning curve for new players and focuses on a broad range of aircraft rather than a … The Flaming Cliffs aircraft are older than most of the other modules in DCS but they are also some of the most accessible and the most popular types. I can investigate. If you’ve been an aviation fan for a few decades, know as much as there is to know about aircraft, and have been flying since the Lock On or Flanker 2.0 days, then you’ve grown with the levels of detail. Eventually you can be really good at it without thinking. Otherwise, the next and only one I see in the near future is Belsimtek’s Mi-24, perhaps this will be more tempting for you , I think it is only a good thing. Deka Ironworks has already contributed considerably to DCS World and a FC4 could be another door opening to the modern Chinese airforce. Visit FlightSimExpo.com for more! Although many are loath to ask for aircraft that haven’t been given the full click-pit treatment, Eagle Dynamics gets a pass in my mind here where the resources to do the aircraft at extreme levels of detail are just not possible. Well that is interesting. But I have to admit the Hornet will probably make up for its absence in the mean time This one goes even beyond the Warthog’s depth, obviously. The Mi-8 is as “easy” to fly as the Huey but has more complex procedures in general, not that it’s a big problem because you don’t need to know them all at the beginning. And to what level? WordPress controls those settings I think. Read all about it here: https://stormbirds.blog/2018/07/13/eagle-dynamics-announces-new-modern-air-combat-title/. If I understood correctly I think NineLine mentioned in the forum thread that initally 3rd parties wouldn’t be part of FC4, unless they want to make FC4 planes of their own in the future. There are plenty of other players who either aren’t there yet and find that kind of detail daunting. This is what DCS Community Manager NineLine revealed today: This of course spawned a raft of responses from the DCS community of which very few I actually agree with. We’ll see if they can pull off both modern and ww2, seems like a ton of work. It is heavier but also has more feature and a serious power of destruction if you like to blow things up to vent after a hard day. FC3 features the F-15C, A-10A, Su-27, Su-33, MiG-29A, MiG-29S and Su-25. ( Log Out / DCS: Flaming Cliffs 3 (FC3) is the next evolution of the Flaming Cliffs series. There doesn’t need to be an analogous aircraft, rather a mix of types that fulfills the overall set of roles. For most of us who can't dedicate 6-8 hours a day they are sadly out of reach due to time limitations. In one of the live streams a couple of weeks ago (and passing mostly under the radar), Matt Wagner answered the FC4 question with an affirmative which was quickly picked up on by r/hoggit and saved in a screen cap on imgur. This definitely opens the door to a few more types of aircraft from different eras for players who want a slightly more casual experience. Even if they are complex modules compared to FC or WWII planes, you can learn one area at a time too. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. Only a community member with intent maintain informed to the simulator community about DCS: World news and progress More news to the front.... Disclaimer: I´m not member of DCS: World team, Eagle Dynamic team or None official 3rd party. In Il-2 I get the Eastern front, and while it’s very narrowly focused everything in there is from the same time period and region, and if a new region comes, new parts come with it. DCS has a bright future, I feel it’s making great progress – I bought some of it but didn’t play it for years, but I’ve come back to it and just find it outstanding. 2. I actually don’t think this is likely but say Eagle Dynamics were to make at least part of the F-15C’s cockpit (as an example) clickable. So here is my question; I bought the Flaming Cliffs 3 for several planes inside of the pack. Last year, ED released the PFM version of the Su-33 and with it came a few updates to that aircraft and its carrier operations. We have for a long time now had access to Flaming Cliffs 3, itself a re-release of Flaming Cliffs 2 for DCS World. I think what’s always kept me from really getting fully invested in DCS is that everything seems so discombobulated. It’s realistic but it’s also fairly easy to jump into a new plane and be pretty good in it. The word we’ve heard at this point is that retroactively going back and making clickable cockpits is so much work so as to be extremely impractical. Sign In. Bringing more people on board can only help with multiplayer. In recent weeks, the J-11A was added to the Flaming Cliffs 3 aircraft line-up. The option of an FC3 version of these planes is a great compromise and I will add them to my collection. Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 3 (FC3) is the next evolution of the Flaming Cliffs series. UPDATED, New DCS: Flaming Cliffs 4 info and an editorial – Stormbirds, Reviewing the IL-2: Battle of Normandy Fw190A-6, IL-2 promo codes are back for the next month, Carenado is bringing a PA-28 Arrow to MSFS, New DCS: South Atlantic map image shows scale, scope, Eagle Dynamics are ‘full burners’ towards 2.7. Might Eagle Dynamics fit in a small number of Vietnam era jets not already covered by third party efforts? FC3 is a module of DCS World, which mak… But those are relatively simple airplanes so it’s not a big deal, one get along with this. You don’t see the F-15 banned from servers now though. Probably. FC is really for another type of users. These are just some of the ideas floating out around there. The last scenario, and the one I feel most likely, is a small selection of new modern jets circa about 2005. FC3 features the F-15C, A-10A, Su-27, Su-33, MiG-29A, MiG-29S and Su-25. DCS: Flaming Cliffs El foro donde los pilotos del ala Flaming Cliffs comentan sus experiencias en combate, sus tácticas, problemas, y comparten sus … I love the F/A-18 module in concept. There’s more than one way to look at this early reveal and I’d like to knock off a few right away and then focus in on one or two scenarios in more detail. DCS World 2.5 ; DCS Wishlist ; Flaming Cliffs 4 Flaming Cliffs 4. This is good news, although it won’t be tackled for a while. Yeah, I pretty much feel the same way about the ‘discombobulated’ nature of DCS. It’s a bit odd that some aircraft would be outwardly the same but one will be simpler than the other, but it enables people to fly at a level that is appropriate to them. We’ve got the F-5 and MiG-21 with the MiG-19 on the way too. Instead, they seem to be focusing on doing something that they do well and pairing it with something else that they do well. Remember me Not recommended on shared computers. Still, this or some sort of compromise could come in later. Unfortunately it is a tendency that I have noticed in several Racing simulators as well: lots of different cars and tracks thrown at the player but no way of having any kind of complete series. Difficult is understating the level of background knowledge and occasionally rote systems management that need to be poured into understanding a module. That’d be three aircraft then that ED has released in the WWII DCS standard. Sign Up Would that satisfy users who won’t go back to non-clickable cockpits? Maybe helicopters will come at some point too! I find FC3 hard but not insurmountable and that brings me in more and more. Then again, existing campaigns help. It should also be noted at this stage that Matt has talked a lot about different plans that Eagle Dynamics has in the works but that may not appear for some time yet. Let me explain. I don’t think its a bad thing for trying to bring interested players into something that don’t have that full experience or the benefit of having played the earlier (and simpler) titles. ( Log Out / That confirms the planning for it but little else. I am looking forward to FC4, and the F16 would be awesome. Eagle Dynamics should take at least one page out of 1CGS books when it comes to planning modules out or at least trying to group thematically. I somehow forgot about the P-51D . is it one button engine start for example? It’s an open world to develop for I think is the concept. My suspicion on this concept is that they won’t do this and that FC 4 might be in another direction entirely. FC3 adds a number of new features and improvements to previous versions of the Flaming Cliffs series. That is why IL-2 Great Battles started to grow on me to the point it really got my love: it is focused. I don’t particularly love this arrangement and I suspect others may have the same issues. I think some of the players such as yourself have maybe been shouted down or at least drowned out by some of the veterans. FlightSimExpo 2021 is happening June 4-6, 2021 in person and online. Flaming Cliffs is, if you go back far enough, the culmination of years of effort from Eagle Dynamics on the Lock On: Modern Air Combat series that came out in 2003. Digital Combat Simulator World (DCS World) is a free-to-play combat flight simulator primarily developed by Eagle Dynamics, and the civilian version of The Battle Simulator. So that leaves us with the potential for some more jets, true to the Flaming Cliffs sub-brand, and ready made for more modern scenarios. I am definitely with you guys on this one, “Scattershot” is the right word! Would they maybe include the P-47 then as well? Like all of us, I am very time constrained and really only ever have time to sim when my family and work responsibilities are completed (ie not much). That could work for folks. would rather take another approach , And to think the Huey is probably the easiest of the lot…. I love diving deep here but I already have a fair bit of background knowledge (yet, not nearly enough). This doesn’t take away from the DCS World level aircraft but it opens new aircraft up to players who might otherwise give them a pass. FC3 adds a number of new features and improvements to previous versions of the Flaming Cliffs series. This is my in-depth overview of the Flaming Cliffs 3 module, and what it offers in terms of planes and content for DCS World from Eagle Dynamics This should be, in my opinion, your first purchase in DCS. Somehow I missed those earlier posts. That said, some balance of the two would be interesting. There is, in many communities, a reflex to never “dumb down” or make it easy for new players to get involved. Lock On: Flaming Cliffs combines a large stable of modern U.S. and Russian aircraft to fly over Russia and Georgia with game play for both casual and hardcore flight simulation enthusiasts. A much more realistic reality has been presented by DCS Community Manager NineLine. Hello, I'm interested in buying flaming cliffs 3 but i have 2 questions. The Huey is the easiest as I said, in my opinion at least, and the two available campaigns, starting with the free one, help the user get more familiar with it. While I was speculating that FC4 might be an opportunity to release aircraft not ot… ( Log Out / The others are of interest but will never be given the time they deserve. Yes, they have a very good balance IMHO, it feels great and realistic enough, and it’s indeed a quicker learning curve. Completely agree with you Aaron! So, with BLUEFOR offering up the F-15C, AV-8B, A-10A and C, F-14A and B, F/A-18C, JAS-37 and a potential F-16C in the near and far future, we have a lot of high end late 1990s and early 2000s jet fighters, multi-role and attack aircraft that together have a lot of added capabilities that weren’t previously available from FC3 aircraft alone. It’s actually a bit of a coup that these two levels of aircraft fidelity work as well together as well as they do. This of course spawned a raft of responses from the DCS community of which very few I actually agree with. Not only that the ‘purists’ can always exclude the FC level aircraft from their servers if they so wish. I mentioned the dynamic campaign bit as a parallel with IL-2 of course, trying not to get too much out-of-topic Those two will have some increasing level of comparison it seems. But it takes more time to see the real progress and achieve a campaign, so indeed it requires more patience. Let’s dig into it anyways and see what this might represent! Definitely all possibilities. I think having a good combination of full fidelity vs. not is good. Make no mistake either, the F-15C and Su-27 in particular have PFM (or “Professional Flight Modeling”) meaning that their flight modeling accuracy is at the top end of what Eagle Dynamics can do and each of these aircraft have been given visual and accuracy related tweaks over the years. Where are the bombers in IL-2: Battle of Bodenplatte and how we might add some, DCS: Persian Gulf Map now available! ( Log Out / I'm so new to the flight sim world so I just checked the discussion pages to find answer but couldn't find it. Interesting thoughts. They are simpler manage but their systems are still modeled in a realistic way and flight modeling is at the PFM level (meaning highly realistic). This video is provided to show the landing physics. Personally, I’d love it if they shifted the focus of FC4 towards the late 60’s through the 90’s. Become a supporter by making a donation on the Stormbirds Patreon. They look great! Looks like the P-47 still has a long way until it comes. Obviously it’s just my personal preference, but I’ve never felt a draw to fly in the DCS universe for WWII with Il-2 out there, especially with their plans to cover late war Europe and the Pacific in the future. The case can be easily made for letting these players in on some new aircraft types both for Eagle Dynamics financial reasons as well as for community building (which is also ultimately a financial consideration). Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. It’s been a good progression for me and many others no doubt. I think the other thing to consider is time. So I confirm, it is fun, and the one I’d recommend without any hesitation. It’s very scattershot in their planning. They have four WW2 planes: Spitfire LF Mk IX, P-51D, Fw 190 D-9 and Bf 109 K-4. I’ve never felt comfortable in IL-2 with all the keyboard and buttons, I’d rather have clickable cockpit for items I don’t need in a rush or that I don’t use often, it’s strange they stepped back from the clickable cockpit they had in CoD, there must be a good reason for this. This simulation is an outgrowth of our Flaming Cliffs series that provides great graphics and flight models, yet has a more shallow learning curve than some of our other DCS titles like the A-10C, Ka-50 and P-51D. IL-2 does have a good niche. The Su-25T is capable of the anti-ship and SEAD but it has performance limits that are particularly highlighted by the Hornet’s ability to fulfill all of these missions (sometimes at the same time) with a mach capable jet that has a high degree of maneuverability. I think Vietnam could still be the most exciting with DCS’ graphics and immersion, but I would really love anything from the 60’s to the 90’s in the game. DCS World’s open sandbox provides plenty of options and opportunities for future additions from just about any era. The training missions are slightly better but a bit on the short side. ( Log Out / the P-51D, Spitfire IX, Bf109K-4, and FW190D-9). The graphics of DCS with the high fidelity flight models for Helicopters (Huey missions dropping into hot LZ’s, doing rescue missions, relaxing with some rear area supply) would be a blast, and flying things like an F-105 or MiG-19 in combat over the jungles and cities of Vietnam with flak and SAMs flying all over could be an incredible experience. More complicated/realistic IFF when it comes to fighter aircraft. Their WWII area is even less of a focus for them although apparently the return on investment is very good. Flaming Cliffs 4 228 members have voted. I have read that it is easier then the normal dcs? For REDFOR, we have the Su-27, J-11A, MiG-29A and S, Su-25 and Su-25T. As a sim lite player this pleases me greatly. I’ve had the Mirage 2000 for over a year now and I’m still getting to grips with a few of the systems still and it may be a while yet before I really feel comfortable in all situations. We already knew this but its clear that Eagle Dynamics and third party makers are still busy updating, improving, and adding new DCS World level modules. You can have the most realistic FM, clickable cockpits and whatnot but at the end of the day if the game world feels fake all that “realism” goes to waste. IL-2 does it better when it comes to focused and themed packages. I’d like them to pick 2005+- and build aircraft around that. 4 days since I speculated on what Flaming Cliffs 4 might end up being, Community Manager NineLine revealed today, https://stormbirds.blog/2018/07/13/eagle-dynamics-announces-new-modern-air-combat-title/, Reviewing the IL-2: Battle of Normandy Fw190A-6, IL-2 promo codes are back for the next month, Carenado is bringing a PA-28 Arrow to MSFS, New DCS: South Atlantic map image shows scale, scope, Eagle Dynamics are ‘full burners’ towards 2.7. I have Dcs Black shark, Dcs world, Lock on modern air combat, Flaming cliffs 2, a10 c , I have the Mustang as well I just bought.Once in a while it wouldnt kill them to throw us a few FREE planes as well-Thats all iam trying to say. It’s only been 4 days since I speculated on what Flaming Cliffs 4 might end up being and my wishful thinking probably got carried away a little bit with the potential for this release to open the door to some new aircraft options. So the bottom line here is that Eagle Dynamics is going to add a new FC4 module containing four previously released DCS World aircraft. I still don’t understand why there’s the push for the WWII stuff. This simulation is an outgrowth of our Flaming Cliffs series that provides great graphics and flight models, yet has a more shallow learning curve than some of our other DCS titles like the A-10C, Ka-50 and P-51D. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. This UH-1H, as the Mi-8, is exceptionally good and those two are probably the best you can get across any sim for the general public. Probably because one expects more depth modelling after having tasted the PFM/ASM modules, so perhaps it’s indeed a good introduction for newcomers. ( Log Out / I’m waiting for one that I really want to fly before I jump into that but the Huey does look fun. It is a real bummer having all these fine aircrafts but no means to actually get the most out of them. While this Su-25 retains the cockpits functionality of the Su-25 from the Flaming Cliffs series, it adds a very advanced flight model. 2. Also, the two Flaming Cliffs planes only show boxes labeled "Serial number" under the "INSTALLED" tab which, when clicked on indicate "No key" which is, I suppose, understandable since they are only available from Steam, individually, as two of the eight planes included within the DCSW stand-alone's Lock On: Flaming Cliffs 3 module (because of its licensing restrictions). FC product line is a gateway product, and popular. Eagle Dynamics has already tried to pay attention to this with their aircraft sets. Looks like a bug? I started with FC3 and then ended up with the Mirage 2000C and now on to the AV-8B and F/A-18C. It was, in part, an answer to the F/A-18C coming close to release and ensured that both sides had a capable fourth gen aircraft that could launch from a carrier. So long as the modeling is realistic and the flight models are at the PFM level, would people object? 1. FC3 features the F-15C, A-10A, Su-27, Su-33, MiG-29A, MiG-29S and Su-25. 1. Thank you. I don’t think that this is FC4, however, as Flaming Cliffs has established itself as a modern jet accessible side of DCS World. While this Su-25 retains the cockpits functionality of the Su-25 from the Flaming Cliffs series, it adds a very advanced flight model. When did this come out? DCS Flaming Cliffs Virtual Cockpit allows you to connect your Android device with Digital Combat Simulator Flaming Cliffs 3.
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